I'm wondering whether there's any evidence that nested hierarchies of folders make sense to novice users.

I may be wrong, but I think the complexity or difficulty of finding a file in an organized or disorganized arrangement of files depends on the user. I think that all the computer-savvy people have gotten wired with a mental model of files and folder display. (Because I have been using hierarchical folders since I was 14, I wonder if I am too biased and can’t see the real frustration of the common user with the disorganization of files and folders.)

I suppose that established users' expectations of hierarchical folders might be why new cloud services including Dropbox and Google Drive haven’t changed anything about the way they display the files and folders, but I wonder if there was ever any original research showing that the hierarchical folders actually make sense to new users.

Do users feel that the current way of displaying the files and folders all together causes any problems (such as difficulty of searching, finding, managing, organizing or viewing a file or a folder)?

(Since Windows and Mac follow a similar pattern for displaying folders, I thought the research might have already been done so I don't have to repeat it again.)

Assumption: The system has a large number of files and large number of different file types.

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    1 - "Hindered" compared to what? Any method is worse than a better one, but what solution are you comparing this to? 2 - what is your question exactly? If it really is a survey of the way people feel about the file explorer model, then it's a bad fit for this site, as per the FAQ. – Vitaly Mijiritsky Jan 29 '15 at 5:50
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    Hi Vitaly, I am really sorry if my question wasn't clear. I just wanted to know if users feel that the current way of displaying the files and folders all together cause any problems such as difficulty of searching, finding, managing, organizing or viewing a file or a folder. Since windows and mac follow similar pattern for displaying so I thought the research had already been done and I don't have to repeat it again. Tell me if this helps you. And it is not a survey. – ΛBHINΛV Jan 29 '15 at 7:26
  • @Blyk to improve your question you can focus on the usability of file/folder system as the main topic and then target a specific problem area. – Okavango Jan 29 '15 at 7:39
  • I think this is actually a very worthwhile question as so much of using a computer is about storing and finding data in files. Blyk clearly isn't a native English speaker so I'll try to edit the question, if Blyk doesn't update it. – PhillipW Jan 29 '15 at 9:29
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    It is probably not the hierarchy per se that can be difficult but the fixed state thereof. Hierarchical filing is helping with manual search, but there is no universally best or intuitive approach to it. Traditional file systems, however, force users to choose exactly one layout, e.g. Artist > Album > Track or Family Name > Given Name, or Year > Month > Day, which require tedious workarounds such as links and aliases for many cases if possible at all, e.g. Genre > Decade > Country > Track or Year > Week. Separating data and view enables better UX, but it does not come automatically. – Crissov Jan 29 '15 at 18:43

Assumption: The system has a large number of files and large number of different file types.

1. Grouping things into categories and subcategories simplifies things

Imagine trying to understand all living organisms without any form of classification. No kingdoms, phylums, classes, orders, families, etc. This one simple example clearly illustrates the importance of grouping things.

Everyone in the world classifies things because doing so makes our lives easier. For example, many people moving from one residence to another will write the name of the room in which the packed items go somewhere on the box. This is one way of classifying things and very similar to putting digital things in a folder.

2. People can remember 5 to 9 items at a time

Most people can handle between 5 to 9 items in memory (7 plus or minus 2) and things start to rapidly break down when going beyond that. I can't remember all 120 movies I have in my collection at home but I can remember there is a folder for Kids Movies, Action / Adventure, Chick Flicks, etc. I also know that Kids Movies are broken down into subcategories Disney Movies, Cartoons, TV Shows, etc.

Note: What's the difference between a 'guy flick' and a 'chick flick'?
In guy flicks lots of people die really fast but in chick flicks one person dies really slowly...

3. Tagged flat lists and nested folders can be used simultaneously

Although long flat vertical lists of data with searchable tags are becoming more common, more people understand putting things in boxes or folders.

iPhone users couldn't group apps into folders until iOS 4. Apple listened to users. Google docs didn't allow multiple levels of folders for storing files at first and now they do. People not only understand grouping and sub-grouping their stuff into folders they ask for it when it isn't there.

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    Actually if you read the Miller article he argues AGAINST The Magic Number 7 - " What about the seven-point rating scale, the seven categories for absolute judgment, the seven objects in the span of attention, and the seven digits in the span of immediate memory? For the present I propose to withhold judgment. Perhaps there is something deep and profound behind all these sevens, something just calling out for us to discover it. But I suspect that it is only a pernicious, Pythagorean coincidence" – PhillipW Jan 29 '15 at 23:29
  • I learned that there are 7 digits in a phone number because that is how many digits we can remember 555-5555. -- ted.com/playlists/196/the_complexity_of_memory – DaveAlger Jan 29 '15 at 23:40
  • Like everything in psychology there isn't a simple '7 +/- 2' rule' - life's much more complicated. Here's a standard UK phone number which looks like 11 memory digits - but actually it often only behaves like 8 memory digits - 02071234567 due to 'chunking'. – PhillipW Jan 30 '15 at 10:13

The visual 'files and folders thing' goes back to the original Apple Mac 'Classic' interface in 1984 ( which in itself was influenced by the Xerox Star interface).

Users didn't really have to think about hierarchies so much as putting files inside files inside files.

Before that if you used a computer what you got was the command line interface of DOS.

Personally I think the Classic interface was about as easy as it gets: there were things (documents, bits of the operating system) and there were folders to put them in to keep them organised.

The Classic Mac Operating System was based on academic research which is referred to in the

Human Interface Guidelines

of the period (This covers references to the research which basically got us the design of the Mac and then MS Windows, and indeed the entire world of modern devices )


Issues for both novice and expert users:

I would say that nested hierarchies of folders have fundamental issues for both expert and novice users, but we have kind of squared with it and learned to manage it as good as we can.

There are at least two problem areas that I can think of:

1- Finding existing documents:

To find a file or a document you created you need to remember where you have placed it and as the number of files grow our capacity to remeber diminishes.

When locating a document, the user can either try to remember where exactly he has placed the document he is looking for, or he can ask himself the question of where he would put this item now, if he had to file it, looking for it there — a process very similar to actually filing that same document. Due to the fact that most computer users are simply not able to remember the exact locations of all documents in their ever-growing document collections, in many cases, users have to revert to the latter variant when seeking a file, thereby performing a simulated filing (categorization) task very often.

2- Creating and saving new documents:

This is better demonstrated with a scenario: You receive an email with a document that needs to be stored but you are quite busy and need to make a quick decision about where it should be stored, so you categorise the document on the fly, create a folder and place the document in it or simply place the document in a preexisting folder with the promise to rectify the situation later!

How this categorisation takes place is quite problematic and does impact on findability as users can't remember where exactly they have placed the document and will automaticaly resort to guess work after few failed attempts.

In both cases mentioned above (users trying to find an item or create a new one) the main assumption behind the design is that users have a plan and will execute their plan by "computing" the best course of action to achieve their goal. This is not necessarily true. users have simply an idea of a "plan" and they don't compute before taking action, rather their actions are determined by localised contingencies and circumstances that arise in situ.

Plans and situated action

File systems or nested hierarchies of folders are examples of designs influenced by the cognitivism of the early 70's (Still prevalent today). The rationale of which was described by Lucy schulman professor of Anthropology of Science and Technology at Lancaster University and author of "plans and situated action"

The cognitivist strategy is to interject a mental operation between environmental stimulus and behavioural response; in essence, to relocate the causes of action from the environment that impinges upon the actor, to processes-abstractable as computation-in the actor's head.

Further more:

The computational theory of mind holds that the mind is a computation that arises from the brain acting as a computing machine. The theory can be elaborated in many ways, the most popular of which is that the brain is a computer and the mind is the result of the program that the brain runs

Fortunately with sustained UX effort assumptions and "plans" are questioned,interrogated and challenged by putting the users and their observed behaviour at the centre of the design process.

If this sustained effort continues we might see interesting and more valid paradigms when viewing our personal information for example:

BumpTop, a user interface that takes the usual desktop metaphor to a glorious, 3-D extreme, transforming file navigation into a freewheeling playground of crumpled documents and clipping-covered "walls."

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I think the following quote which prefaced schulman book sums-up things quite well:

Thomas Gladwin (1964) has written a brilliant article contrasting the method by which the Trukese navigate the open sea, with that by which Europeans navigate. He points out that the European navigator begins with a plan-a course-which he has charted according to certain universal principles, and he carries out his voyage by relating his every move to that plan. His effort throughout his voyage is directed to remaining 'on course.' If unexpected events occur, he must first alter the plan, then respond accordingly.

The Trukese navigator begins with an objective rather than a plan. He sets off toward the objective and responds to conditions as they arise in an ad hoc fashion. He utilizes information provided by the wind, the waves, the tide and current, the fauna, the stars, the clouds, the sound of the water on the side of the boat, and he steers accordingly. His effort is directed to doing whatever is necessary to reach the objective. If asked, he can point to his objective at any moment, but he cannot describe his course (Gerald Berreman 1966).

I would like to believe that we are all like the Trukese Navigator


I'm wondering whether there's any evidence that nested hierarchies of folders make sense to novice users.

What is your definition of a novice user AND why aren't you testing to see what confuses them?

My 10 yr old is a novice user but she understands nested folders (as well as the + and - labels). Anyone with an iPod or iTunes understands nested folders.

Who are your users? What makes you concerned that they don't understand this? Do you have concrete evidence that your users are hindered / dropping out of your application?

  • word "Novice" can be misleading but the example you have given is completely true but the discussion here is about not understanding of any interface rather to evaluate the problem related to current interface because the interface of the explorer has not been changed much since it was first time introduced. – ΛBHINΛV Jan 31 '15 at 8:32

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