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Why gear selectors for automatic transmission are still made in form of the gear stick for manual transmissions?

BMW

Ford

Isn't this useless waste of space?

There are at least two other possibilities (both seen on Citroën). So why are manufacturers still make those old-fashioned sticks?

Buttons: Citroën C4 Cactus

Selector behind the steering wheel: Citroën Grand Picasso

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  • Principle of Least Surprise? – user67695 Nov 22 '17 at 17:27
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    Try using those other two control setups when you are trying to get out of the snow or ice. – whatsisname Nov 23 '17 at 4:38
  • @whatsisname Your comment is absolutely useless, it contains no information. If you have something to say about getting out of the snow or ice then just say it. – UXP Nov 23 '17 at 8:26
  • @nocomprende A lot of things are controlled differently in cars of different manufacturers. So why exclusively gear selector must follow this principle? And I happened to drive such a C4 Cactus (the one with buttons), as soon as you know how to select modes (- in about 10 second after you're in the car) it is no more a surprise. – UXP Nov 23 '17 at 8:30
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    "absolutely no surprise... however they are activated." - Anton Yelchin, were he still alive, would beg to differ. Some, but not all, of these alternate gearshifters are very unintuitive to a lot of people. – user44517 Nov 27 '17 at 15:41
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Reuse of cockpit layout between manual and automatic comes to mind (i.e. not having to maintain two variants regarding this aspect). If the cockpit layout is different, maintaining two variants would mean having to maintaining molds for two different cockpits etc. and managing your JIT deliveries / stock to have two separate items, which is something OEMs very much like to avoid (given that they already have dozens of issues where they do not have a choice but to do it).

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    Yes, that might be. This will also explain those ugly screens in some cars which look like simply glued onto the cockpit (f.e. motor-talk.de/bilder/… - and note that this car has no gear stick :) ) – UXP Nov 23 '17 at 8:33
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There are a few reasons that come to mind, but in my opinion, there is only one that matters.

The automatic transmission has used pretty much the same interface since it was invented and mass-produced in the 1950s. The primary variation over its history is column shift vs. floor shift. This means it is familiar to pretty much everyone who is old enough to drive, including the elderly who remember when the automatic transmission was a new thing. This interface is very stable and familiar to billions of people. There is a strong argument that such a familiar and stable interface should only change if there is a really good reason for it.

While there may be newer, "better" (subjective) interfaces, manufacturers must weigh the perceived improvements against potential confusion among customers. Confusion that, with one design implemented by Chrysler, has resulted in very real consequences involving accidental property damage and even death. All because a manufacturer decided to tinker with a decades-old interface in a way that broke the feedback loop between driver and transmission.

Keeping with a design such that any adult can sit in the driver's seat of an unfamiliar car and be able to drive it with minimal adjustments is a very real benefit. Imagine borrowing a car from a friend or rental company and needing to relearn how to operate the car. That could be an unpleasant experience if you are in an emergency or other urgent situation. Who cares if the dashboard has better space efficiency if you have trouble getting the car moving?

Yes, the traditional gear selector is less space-efficient than newer designs. However, it is critical to provide proper feedback to the driver regarding the status of the transmission. Using the "old" interface appears to be an acceptable compromise for the ability to have both tactile and visual feedback about the transmission in a split second.

  • And, if we wait just a little while, the user interface will be entirely verbal anyway. Problem solved. Until someone decides to tinker with language : ) – user67695 Nov 27 '17 at 17:13
  • @nocomprende for the love of all that is holy, please no. – whatsisname Nov 28 '17 at 5:55
  • @whatsisname I was thinking the other day: if I am in a self-driving car and someone starts attacking me, how would I take evasive action (assuming that there are no controls)? – user67695 Nov 28 '17 at 14:42

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